Episode 7: Releasing the Effects of Intergenerational Trauma Using Ancestral Clearing with Elizabeth Kipp

Have you noticed patterns repeating in your life?

Did you know that behaviours can be passed down from one generation to the next?

The good news is that you don't have to resign yourself to fate, when you can connect to the past to redirect your future.

In this podcast episode, my guest Elizabeth Kipp, shares how intergenerational trauma and unhelpful patterns show up and how she uses Ancestral Clearing to help folks shift and heal themselves so their lives unfold more intentionally.

Episode highlights:

• The way we're all connected
• How thought patterns and behaviours travel down generations
• The past imprints the future unless you choose to make changes
• What Ancestral Clearing is and how it works
• A demonstration of Ancestral Clearing
• How Ancestral Clearing freed Elizabeth from years of chronic pain

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Visit Elizabeth's website here: www.elizabeth-kipp.com 

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Transcript

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Emma O'Brien: Hi folks welcome to season. 2. Episode 7 of the lemons and pineapples. Podcast

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Emma O'Brien: today, my guest is Elizabeth Kip. And we're talking about using ancestral clearing to release the effects of intergenerational trauma. First, st a bit about my guest, Elizabeth Kip, is a stress management and historical trauma specialist who uses trauma trained, and Yoga informed addiction, recovery, coaching, ancestral clearing, compassionate inquiry, and Yoga to help people with their healing.

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Emma O'Brien: Elizabeth healed from over 40 years of chronic pain, including anxiety, panic attacks, and addiction. Now, in long-term recovery, she guides others to unleash their healing power, find freedom from suffering and live a thriving life. She's the best selling author of the way through chronic pain tools to reclaim your healing power, and I'm very excited to welcome her to the podcast Hi Elizabeth.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Hi, Emma, thank you so much for inviting me on as a guest. I'm so excited to be here.

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Emma O'Brien: I'm really looking forward to our conversation today. This is a bit of a new one for for me. I've been doing a bit of work with a shaman over the past 18 months or so. So I have connected. When I've been using plant medicine to some ancestral stuff which has been very interesting. So I'm really intrigued to hear more about the work that that you do so

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Emma O'Brien: to start us off before we get into the juicy ancestral clearing bit.

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Emma O'Brien: Can you share a bit more about what intergenerational trauma is, and how it ends up happening.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Sure, and you had to start with plants. So cause I have a degree in plant biology. So

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): you know,

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): we're all connected this, this whole area that we're in and and and what you know that you kind of brought in with the Shawn and Angle

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): comes from. It's all based in the in the understanding that we are all connected.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): you know, for for just, for instance,

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): I just breathe in some oxygen.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): I'm gonna breathe out. CO. 2 carbon dioxide. The the plants will will take that in and they'll know they'll they'll put out oxygen. So we're connected. And another thing that's kind of interesting is

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): the

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): we have the same mechanism and pathway to metabolize sugar that that trees do, that that plants do so. It just gives you an understanding on a very fundamental level

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): connected we really are.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): It doesn't surprise me in the least that you're getting a transmission for your ancestors

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): through the plants. I just, you know, to me it's like, yeah. So this is not a new area to me.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And when you think about

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): our understanding of

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): of genetics.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): where information is passed down from one generation to the next.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): from an evolutionary biology point of view.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): that information.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): in the larger sense.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): best bet. The information that passes to you and me is the best bet

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): of the kind of environment we're going to be entering into when we're born the information coming in. That's the information that we need.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Now, isn't that interesting? So we live in this

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and you know, world.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And and so there's so that that's very interesting to just that whole concept. There is interesting to me.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and the way information gets gets passed down

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): is important. Now, what's interesting is, there's some noise in the system.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): there's there's maybe more information there that we than we actually need.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): So it's a robust system. And some of the information that we get is

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): not helpful, right? Worry, energy. How many people in your family? Maybe a mother, maybe an aunt, maybe a grandmother, maybe a grand aunt

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): have that worry, energy, and they come by. And honestly, because look at what? Where we came from.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Look at all the trial and and tribulation we went through to get here.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): So worry energy is is kind of baked into the cake, but when it's

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): epic, when when it when the imprint is so strong that it rules our life.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And it's a behavior that's been in the

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): that we can see in the family. Then that really is is an indication of intergenerational trauma.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): It's just one thing.

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Emma O'Brien: And it's it's very, very interesting, isn't it? Because if I think of my family

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Emma O'Brien: lineage on my dad's side, this his

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Emma O'Brien: father had was Irish, hence the O'brien surname.

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Emma O'Brien: and he was one of a big family, and I think there were about 7 or 8 siblings, and at least 3 of them were all Catholic priests.

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Emma O'Brien: So there's a huge yeah, there's a huge amount of kind of religious programming that comes on that side. And I I'm quite anti religion, and I'm I wonder if it isn't some of the stuff that's come down through my lineage. That's that is kind of

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Emma O'Brien: get that up for me. And then on my mother's side, there's a

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Emma O'Brien: generations of women who have been

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Emma O'Brien: and that's been something I've I've worked through and worked myself out of that pattern, but that was a pattern I also fell into. So it's it's very interesting to me to see in my own life how that intergenerational!

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Emma O'Brien: Well, the intergenerational stuff has played out. And then, of course, if we've got traumatic events in the family, then that's also going to be passed through as well.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Yes, to all of that.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): there's a woman named Rachel Yehuda, who has done a lot of work on

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and one of the things that she did was she looked at

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and I've actually worked with some of the descendants of holocaust survivors, and also a few people that were actually in the Japanese and internment camps.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): So then, during Second World War, so and you so you can kind of you can kind of imagine the imprint that leaves. Now let me bring it from another perspective.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): When when when your mother was pregnant with you.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Sorry when your grandmother was pregnant with your mother.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): you know, I'm sure that that that that Newtonian regular, so that kind of science could quantify that, too.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And that's interesting to me, because your grandmother spent time in her grandmother.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): if you imagine the nested Russian dolls where there's a little doll and another doll, and a bigger and a bigger and a big doll right like that.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And then the next dial out is the family environment.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and the next doll out is the culture that you're living in, and the next doll out is

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And so you're talking about women in the family, feeling small, not being able to rise to their potential. That's a wait.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And I don't know how you came about like discovering all that, but I can imagine that you felt that as an actual physical presence, because it's mind, body spirit. You can't separate the 3.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And and and we look at the trends. And what's what's imp? What's happening from the past imprinting on the present moment?

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And the culture all that, like all those imprints, right? So

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Emma O'Brien: yeah, no. There's a there's a i think there's a lot to process through. With that I think my realizations have come from my own journey of doing self development work and my own

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Emma O'Brien: noticing patterns that were playing out in my life and having a look at you know, there's a common denominator here, and it's me. So what do I need to to work on, and what might be causing that? And and I think it's I've done energy healing work. I've done work with shamanic work. I've done plant medicine, and I have to say that the plant medicine has been really transformative for my

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Emma O'Brien: inner work. It's given me a lot of

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Emma O'Brien: family dynamics, as I could say, connecting with.

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Emma O'Brien: I've connected with my grandmothers via plant medicine. The grandfather's not so much so it's it. Yeah, it's it's an interesting, interesting journey.

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Emma O'Brien: a little bit about what ancestral clearing

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Emma O'Brien: is, what it looks like, how it works for someone who's listening and going. This is fascinating

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Emma O'Brien: that everything's passed down. But

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Emma O'Brien: like we've discussed a lot of the stuff that's passed down is unhelpful in this world that we live in at the moment. So just talk a little bit more about ancestral clearing.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Sure and Cisco clearing is, is actually a trademarked and registered

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): energy. Modality

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): was developed, was developed, actually is pioneered by Howard Wills, and then further developed, and is taught

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): trademark and registered by John Newton of health beyond belief. I'm 1 of his practitioners, and I was so impressed with the work that I I got into it about 10 and a half years ago.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): you know, I took the 1st training I could out of the

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): We're asking it to help us release. So it's kind of an important distinction there, and we use the word forgive to mean offer up that much no longer serves.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and we do it in the form of a prayer.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and I have my own

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Well, I have a science background. So there's that. But I I just. There was so much confusion around religion when I was a child, and I I was kind of like.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): It was kind of like this for me just briefly. So we get the. We get the playing field sorted out the landscape here that we're working on.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): I was actually raised with like this loving God, but wrathful God.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): I had, like a Catholic Nanny, and the wrathful and but but loving, and I, and it was very confusing. We had a chapel at school, and that was confusing, and my parents didn't take me to. They didn't go to church, so that was even more confusing. I had one

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): one grandfather that was an atheist, and another one that was a Christian Scientist. So very, very strange, just having difficulty getting grounding.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And and I and I kind of went to bed. Not I was. I was trained to

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): And so it was not really. I didn't really feel safe doing that cause. I didn't know who was gonna show up. Anyway, it was, I felt like the god was very schizophrenic and unlimited, but they're all powerful. So what.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): breathing normally right, higher Power, Creator, holy Father, Great Spirit, Divine Mother, infinite one oneness. You are known by many names, yet you are one.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): We ask humbly and gratefully for us and all our ancestors and all their relations through all space, time, dimension, realms, lifetimes, and incarnations

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and for all the times we stood powerless and unable to help ease the pain for our loved ones.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): for survivor guilt in in plagues and pandemics that swept through our lives and our communities.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): for all misunderstandings, disputes, arguments, fights that broke out, and resulting injuries.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): for every raid, assault, incursion, battle, war, and holocaust, and for all the angst.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): and just take a nice breath in and let it out, and just notice how that feels in the body. Now.

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Emma O'Brien: That's interesting. I feel a bit lighter across my shoulders.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): There you go. Yeah, that's pretty much like 99% of the people say, I feel lighter. And and that was my experience as well.

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Emma O'Brien: is that you often don't notice like you said, something's shifted until you're in a situation where ordinarily you would react one way. And suddenly you find yourself having.

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Emma O'Brien: that wasn't triggered, or I didn't do my usual thing.

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Emma O'Brien: And what I really like about what you've shared here is that it's not about passing responsibility to a higher power to make things better. It's working with. I would. I mean, I'm I'm very spiritual. So working with the universal source to help shift things. And some of the the shamanic work I've been doing is, you know, I've had.

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Emma O'Brien: transformation. It's like you've said. As time goes on, you tend to to notice. There's there's been a shift. It's subtle. I think spiritual work is subtle because it works on on so many levels. So thank you for sharing that. That was that was really cool.

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Emma O'Brien: Yeah, Elizabeth, this has been wonderful fascinating to to hear about this for anybody who wants to connect with you to find out more about this work to have an ancestral clearing session. I know you do these online. So we've just done it online. How can people get hold of you to connect with you and work with you.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Oh, thanks, Emma, everyone can find me through my website, which is Elizabeth with a hyphen, Kip kipp.com dot all my social media is there? You can contact me right through there.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): There's lots of free resources and a whole bunch of different prayers so lots of resources. Elizabeth with a hyphen kipcom.

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Emma O'Brien: Brilliant. I'm going to pop that in the show notes. And is your book available on Amazon?

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Oh, yeah, you can get an autograph, copied me from me.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): I'm in the Us. So anybody outside of the Us is gonna cost might as well just get it on Amazon. But you.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Kindle and audio and and paperback. Yeah.

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Emma O'Brien: Okay, brilliant. I'm gonna pop the link to that as well in the show notes. Thank you again. I'm going to be monitoring over the next few days. What shifts for me! And I invite anybody listening who's listened to the prayer Elizabeth shared as well to, and the words you shared to

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Emma O'Brien: see if you notice anything shifting after that, and then I would love for folks to. You can pop me a DM. On Instagram at Emma O'brien coach, and let me know. You can also let Elizabeth know so sure she'd love to hear from you as well. Thank you again, Elizabeth, for joining me.

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Elizabeth Kipp (she/her/We): Oh, thanks so much, Emma, so great to be here.

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Emma O'Brien: Thank you for being with us today, folks. I really hope you've enjoyed this episode, and I will see you same time next week bye, for now.